"If
he says, 'That's an interesting question'," says
someone, "that means he's heard it before."
"You
can't blame him," says someone else and we all agree:
we are an unusually compassionate tribunal this
morning.
Minghella
comes in, beaming happily and shaking hands. He
looks at the wing armchair we've left for him.
"So
I sit in the fat chair, do I?" he says. Funny. But
it sounds like something he may have said before.
"What,"
asks a Belgian colleague, "would you say was the
most challenging aspect of taking on this project?"
This
must surely be Ripley 101: the question Minghella
can be guaranteed to have been asked before. But
his answer is, as always, fluent and thoughtful.
"I
think the difficult thing with adapting a book that
you love is how to honour the book and make a film
which stands alone from it, which works on its own
terms," he says. "I think it's probably why, in
the past, Hollywood has always elected to adapt
books that you wouldn't like very much: you get
so sensitive to the sins of omission and commission
that you commit in the process of adaptation."
With
Ripley, he says, this was especially difficult.
"It's
interesting, because at first sight, the novel is
very uninflected," he adds. "It's a straightforward
suspense story. But the more you excavate the material,
the more profound Ripley as a character becomes.
I think he stands in for or identifies a lot of
20th-century angst, a lot of the anomie and dislocation
of 20th-century human beings. It's about the feeling
of being shut out, the feeling that you are essentially
worthless.
"I
think that the issue of taking somebody's life
and taking over their identity is a metaphorical
issue," he goes on. "That identity transformation,
that Clark Kent-into-Superman thing, is what I
think the story is about, not the simple narrative
business of killing somebody and becoming them.
It's about killing yourself and becoming somebody
else. I thought that was a much richer vein to
explore."
He
takes a sip from a glass containing a mysterious
green liquid, which he lowers with almost infinite
slowness onto the table, so the sound doesn't
upset the Sonys. It's a small gesture, but there
is something so considerate, so courteous, about
it. Plus Minghella obviously loves to talk, and
does so with all the articulateness of the academic
and writer he was and is. He has, if anything,
too much to say, especially since this is a project
with which he has been involved for a long, long
time.
"The
very first play I wrote," he says, "the first
notice I had said, 'This play reminds me of the
works of Patricia Highsmith'. I had no idea who
Patricia Highsmith was, so I thought I'd better
read her and I thought, 'This is really good writing,
but it has nothing to do with my sensibility at
all. How would someone make that connection?'.
"Then,
some 16 or 17 years later, we were marooned in
Italy trying to make The English Patient
and Sydney Pollack called me and said, 'We've
got the rights to "The Talented Mr Ripley":
would you think about writing the screenplay?'.
"I
started to go back into the material, and I realised
it spoke to me much more loudly as a grown-up
than it had as a young man. So I called Sydney
and said, 'You know what? I don't want to give
you this back! Can I do it?'.
"Every
time I skimmed another layer off the material,
it got more interesting to me. I think what you
can accuse me of in some ways is appropriating
the subject of the film for my own preoccupations.
I don't intentionally do that, but I know it's
as personal a film as I'm capable of making."
A
film about an American murdering another American
in Italy in the fifties made by a British film-maker
(albeit of Italian descent) at the end of the
nineties: what could be personal about this, I
ask?
"It's
had the blessing or the curse of
a Catholic film-maker," he explains. "It's burdened
by the sensibility of somebody who was taught
to examine his conscience every night, who is
plagued by the thought that there may be a purgatory,
some place for working out a particular problem
in life.
"I
believe that. I love the mischief of Ripley
getting away with it, but I couldn't resist saying,
'Getting away with what?'. Not getting caught
is not the same thing as escaping from the dungeon
of the psyche, from which there is no escape.
"I
believe in the humanity of Ripley," he concludes,
"and I believe that part of the cost of being
human is to have a soul and to have to reconcile
yourself to that soul. There's a great CK Chesterton
quote. 'When we are children, we're innocent and
therefore want justice. And when we're adults,
we're guilty and hope for mercy'.
"I
think there's something of that in Tom Ripley."
In
Anthony Minghella, too.